@gf: hiconcil (amoksicilin) ni nobenga problema mešati s travco, ni ga pa pripročljivo mešati z MDMA-jem, saj lahko pride do komplikacij (seveda ni nujno). Je pa hiconcil eden izmed "lahkih" širokospektralnih antibiotikov. Kuro pa kar skončaj.
@Alp: Ne rad rečem kaj takega, ampak pri tebi moram pa rečt da res nimaš pojma. Če ne bi bilo tablet oz. zdravilnih učinkovin bi kar nekaj ljudi imelo hude težave ali pa celo kaj drugega.
LP
gandza in bolezen
Re: gandza in bolezen
No chill fantje (vsi)...
Glede THC (in ostalih kanabinoidov) in antibiotikov:
marijuana and all antibiotics? why?
Question: is marijuana contraindicated for all antibiotics or just some? how does it affect the healing process? (i googled a question about doxycycline and marijuana, and got my answer, but now i'd like to know a little of the anatomy lesson behind it.)
Answer: Marijuana use is not recommended while on antibiotics for numerous reasons. Specifically, marijuana use with antibiotics can interfere with the absorption and metabolism of the antibiotics in the gastrointestinal tract by affecting the enzymes needed to absorb the antibiotics. This can slow down the amount of time it takes the antibiotics to begin working properly to fight the infection. Marijuana use can also slow down the healing process of the body, which results in a longer recovery time. The way marijuana slows down the healing process is that THC the main chemical component of marijuana is fat soluble so it becomes absorbed by the white blood cells in the body. The white blood cells, which have a lipid (fat) component, are your body's "fighter" cells that destroy "bad" bacteria by eating it. However, when THC becomes absorbed by the lipid component of the white blood cells these cells cannot function properly to destroy the "bad" bacteria.
If the antibiotics cannot be absorbed properly and your white blood cells cannot fight the infection because of the marijuana use, then your chances of a quick recovery from an illness are decreased.
http://studenthealth.oregonstate.edu/answerspot/message.php?message=4693
Predvsem se pa poskusite izogibati kombinaciji alkohola in antibiotikov.
Glede THC (in ostalih kanabinoidov) in antibiotikov:
marijuana and all antibiotics? why?
Question: is marijuana contraindicated for all antibiotics or just some? how does it affect the healing process? (i googled a question about doxycycline and marijuana, and got my answer, but now i'd like to know a little of the anatomy lesson behind it.)
Answer: Marijuana use is not recommended while on antibiotics for numerous reasons. Specifically, marijuana use with antibiotics can interfere with the absorption and metabolism of the antibiotics in the gastrointestinal tract by affecting the enzymes needed to absorb the antibiotics. This can slow down the amount of time it takes the antibiotics to begin working properly to fight the infection. Marijuana use can also slow down the healing process of the body, which results in a longer recovery time. The way marijuana slows down the healing process is that THC the main chemical component of marijuana is fat soluble so it becomes absorbed by the white blood cells in the body. The white blood cells, which have a lipid (fat) component, are your body's "fighter" cells that destroy "bad" bacteria by eating it. However, when THC becomes absorbed by the lipid component of the white blood cells these cells cannot function properly to destroy the "bad" bacteria.
If the antibiotics cannot be absorbed properly and your white blood cells cannot fight the infection because of the marijuana use, then your chances of a quick recovery from an illness are decreased.
http://studenthealth.oregonstate.edu/answerspot/message.php?message=4693
Predvsem se pa poskusite izogibati kombinaciji alkohola in antibiotikov.
LP, ekolog
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Re: gandza in bolezen
torej kot sem že čeraj napisal sem probal antibiotike, potem pa še en kuki čez 
in danes sem kot nov, skoraj da ni več znaga o angini, grlo vredu, skratka počutim se super. Ne bi mogel pa 100% trditi komu gre zasluga za moje dobro počutje. Lahko da samo antibiotikom, lahko da samo kukijem, lahko da obojem po malo ali pa čisto nekaj x
lep dan vam želim še naprej
in danes sem kot nov, skoraj da ni več znaga o angini, grlo vredu, skratka počutim se super. Ne bi mogel pa 100% trditi komu gre zasluga za moje dobro počutje. Lahko da samo antibiotikom, lahko da samo kukijem, lahko da obojem po malo ali pa čisto nekaj x lep dan vam želim še naprej
Re: gandza in bolezen
Še nekaj zanimivega branja, predvsem o antibiotičnih učinkih konoplje. Seveda priporočam tudi branje celotnega prispevka, ki se nahaja na strani http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mj002b.htm Prispevek sicer govori o uporabi konoplje v medicini.
@gf: anitibiotike pa vseeno jemlji do konca, čeprav se zdi, da je bolezen že mimo, se verjetno v tebi še vedno nahajajo bakterije, ki povzročajo angino, zato je potrebno jesti antibiotike dlje časa, da se stanje ne poslabša. (in da se angine rešiš pred novim letom)
Antibiotic Uses Of Cannabis
During the past 20 years in western medicine, marijuana has been assigned antibiotic activity; as a result, several studies relating to this possibility have been undertaken. H. B. M. Murphy (1963: 20) reported investigations in Eastern Europe.
He stated that it is alleged to be active against gram positive organisms at 1/100,000 dilution, but to be largely inactivated by plasma, so that prospects for its use appear to be, confined to E. N. T. (ear, nose and throat) and skin infections.
Dr. J. Kabelikovi (1952: 500-503) and his coworkers carried out tests on rats, which were similar to tests carried out with penicillin in vitro. The alcohol extract of cannabis was bacterially effective against many gram-positive and one gram-negative microorganisms.
It was also found that a paste form of external application was successful. According to Kabelikovi, from a study of 2,000 herbs by Czechoslovakian scientists it was found that Cannabis indica (the Indian Hemp) was the most promising in the realm of antibiotics.
In a 1959 publication of Pharmacie, Krejci stated: From the flowering tips and leaves of hemp, Cannabis sativa var indica bred in Middle Europe, were extracted a phenol and an acid fraction.
From the acid fraction, two acids were obtained, of which one preserved its antibiotic properties (p. 349). In another Czechoslovakian publication, Krejci (1961: 1351-1353) referred to two additional samples with antibiotic activity.
The results of tests lead us to conclude that the antibacterial action of Cannabis sativa is not identical to the hashish effect found, for example, in tetrahydrocannabinol. However, it was established that Cannabis sativa is effective as an antibiotic for local infections.
Kabelik, Krejci, and Santavy (1960: 13) include in cannabis as a Medicant the various microorganisms against which cannabis is effective.
Proof could be furnished that the cannabis extracts produce a very satisfactory antibacterial effect upon the following microbes: staphylococcus pyogenes aureus, steptococcus alpha haemolyticus, streptococcus beta haemolyticus, enterococcus, diplococcus pneumonia, B. anthracis, and corynebacterium diptheriae i.e., all of them gram-positive microorganisms.
Noteworthy is the effect upon staphylococcus aureaus strains, which are resistant to penicillin and to other antibiotics.
These authors also mentioned that E. coli (gramnegative bacteria) were tested and found to be resistant to the cannabis extract. One of the conclusions was the possibility of utilizing the antibiotics locally without any danger of producing resistant strains to other antibiotics administered at the same time throughout treatment (Kabelik, et al., 1960: 13).
Veliky and Genest in Suspension Culture of Cannabis Sativa, (1970) reported that the ethanol extract of cultured cells exhibited antibiotic activity against Bacillus megatherium, staphlococcus aureaus and escherichia coli (p. 493).
Other reports said that a pronounced antibiotic effect has been observed in South America, where fresh leaves, after being ground, are used as a poultice for furuncles, and in folk medicine in Europe for treatment of erysipelas (Kabelik, et al., 1960: 8).
Antibiotics Conclusion
This section on the antibiotic uses of cannabis concludes with a summary of several reports from various countries.
In Pharmacopee Arabe: The ground-up seeds are mixed with bread for people with tuberculosis (Andrews and Vinkenoog, 1967: 145).
In Czechoslovakia: A preparation from seed pulp was introduced by Sirek to act as a roborant diet in treatment of tuberculosis (Kabelik, 1960: 8).
In Southern Rhodesia: The plant is used as an African remedy for malaria, anthrax, sepsis, black water fever, dysentery, blood-poisoning, tropical quinine-malarial haemoglobinuria, and a wart medicine (Watt, 1961: 13).
In Argentina: Cannabis is considered a real panacea for tetanus, colic, gastralgia, swelling of the liver, gonorrhea, sterility, impotency, abortion, tuberculosis of the lungs and asthma, even the root-bark has been collected in spring, and employed as a febrifuge, tonic, for treatment of dysentery and gastralgia, either pulverized or in form of decoctions.
The root when ground and applied to burns is said to relieve pain. Oil from the seeds has been frequently used even in treatment of cancer . . . (Kabelik, 1960: 8).
@gf: anitibiotike pa vseeno jemlji do konca, čeprav se zdi, da je bolezen že mimo, se verjetno v tebi še vedno nahajajo bakterije, ki povzročajo angino, zato je potrebno jesti antibiotike dlje časa, da se stanje ne poslabša. (in da se angine rešiš pred novim letom)
Antibiotic Uses Of Cannabis
During the past 20 years in western medicine, marijuana has been assigned antibiotic activity; as a result, several studies relating to this possibility have been undertaken. H. B. M. Murphy (1963: 20) reported investigations in Eastern Europe.
He stated that it is alleged to be active against gram positive organisms at 1/100,000 dilution, but to be largely inactivated by plasma, so that prospects for its use appear to be, confined to E. N. T. (ear, nose and throat) and skin infections.
Dr. J. Kabelikovi (1952: 500-503) and his coworkers carried out tests on rats, which were similar to tests carried out with penicillin in vitro. The alcohol extract of cannabis was bacterially effective against many gram-positive and one gram-negative microorganisms.
It was also found that a paste form of external application was successful. According to Kabelikovi, from a study of 2,000 herbs by Czechoslovakian scientists it was found that Cannabis indica (the Indian Hemp) was the most promising in the realm of antibiotics.
In a 1959 publication of Pharmacie, Krejci stated: From the flowering tips and leaves of hemp, Cannabis sativa var indica bred in Middle Europe, were extracted a phenol and an acid fraction.
From the acid fraction, two acids were obtained, of which one preserved its antibiotic properties (p. 349). In another Czechoslovakian publication, Krejci (1961: 1351-1353) referred to two additional samples with antibiotic activity.
The results of tests lead us to conclude that the antibacterial action of Cannabis sativa is not identical to the hashish effect found, for example, in tetrahydrocannabinol. However, it was established that Cannabis sativa is effective as an antibiotic for local infections.
Kabelik, Krejci, and Santavy (1960: 13) include in cannabis as a Medicant the various microorganisms against which cannabis is effective.
Proof could be furnished that the cannabis extracts produce a very satisfactory antibacterial effect upon the following microbes: staphylococcus pyogenes aureus, steptococcus alpha haemolyticus, streptococcus beta haemolyticus, enterococcus, diplococcus pneumonia, B. anthracis, and corynebacterium diptheriae i.e., all of them gram-positive microorganisms.
Noteworthy is the effect upon staphylococcus aureaus strains, which are resistant to penicillin and to other antibiotics.
These authors also mentioned that E. coli (gramnegative bacteria) were tested and found to be resistant to the cannabis extract. One of the conclusions was the possibility of utilizing the antibiotics locally without any danger of producing resistant strains to other antibiotics administered at the same time throughout treatment (Kabelik, et al., 1960: 13).
Veliky and Genest in Suspension Culture of Cannabis Sativa, (1970) reported that the ethanol extract of cultured cells exhibited antibiotic activity against Bacillus megatherium, staphlococcus aureaus and escherichia coli (p. 493).
Other reports said that a pronounced antibiotic effect has been observed in South America, where fresh leaves, after being ground, are used as a poultice for furuncles, and in folk medicine in Europe for treatment of erysipelas (Kabelik, et al., 1960: 8).
Antibiotics Conclusion
This section on the antibiotic uses of cannabis concludes with a summary of several reports from various countries.
In Pharmacopee Arabe: The ground-up seeds are mixed with bread for people with tuberculosis (Andrews and Vinkenoog, 1967: 145).
In Czechoslovakia: A preparation from seed pulp was introduced by Sirek to act as a roborant diet in treatment of tuberculosis (Kabelik, 1960: 8).
In Southern Rhodesia: The plant is used as an African remedy for malaria, anthrax, sepsis, black water fever, dysentery, blood-poisoning, tropical quinine-malarial haemoglobinuria, and a wart medicine (Watt, 1961: 13).
In Argentina: Cannabis is considered a real panacea for tetanus, colic, gastralgia, swelling of the liver, gonorrhea, sterility, impotency, abortion, tuberculosis of the lungs and asthma, even the root-bark has been collected in spring, and employed as a febrifuge, tonic, for treatment of dysentery and gastralgia, either pulverized or in form of decoctions.
The root when ground and applied to burns is said to relieve pain. Oil from the seeds has been frequently used even in treatment of cancer . . . (Kabelik, 1960: 8).
LP, ekolog
Re: gandza in bolezen
Alp ma prav tableti so za en kurac zato ker to papamo zmerej ko je kej narobe, in pridemo do tega, da se telo navadi da kadar bo kej narobe se že samo poštima, in pol se tvoje telo bolezni ne upira zato ker itak tableti vse zrihtajo, in ko par let delaš tako, bo nekdo kihnu vate pa boš fasal prehlad, ampak sej ni panike se boš že lekadolov namalčkal pa bo, če pa je tvoje življenje odvisno od zdravil, potem pa itak da jih bi jedu hhehehhee
Enjoy what is natural
Re: gandza in bolezen
you get it, BIG.
telo se pozdravi samo. zato pa se začne čistit. mi pač temu rečemo bolezen.
dovolj logično zakaj so zdravila za en kurc?
zaustavijo proces zdravljenja, poleg tega pa te še dodatno zastrupijo.
naslednjič ko boste bolani (ko se bo telo začelo čistiti/zdraviti) ostanite doma, skadte joint prezračite hišo in boste videli kako lepo se boste pozdravili.
does it make sense?
telo se pozdravi samo. zato pa se začne čistit. mi pač temu rečemo bolezen.
dovolj logično zakaj so zdravila za en kurc?
zaustavijo proces zdravljenja, poleg tega pa te še dodatno zastrupijo.
naslednjič ko boste bolani (ko se bo telo začelo čistiti/zdraviti) ostanite doma, skadte joint prezračite hišo in boste videli kako lepo se boste pozdravili.
does it make sense?
Re: gandza in bolezen
@ekolog...bom ta konec tedna prebral kar si postal, pa bomo kako rekli...sem samo malo preletel prvi post (zanimiva mi je ta, da je problem z absorpcijo v gastrointestinalnem traktu (kaj pa antibiotiki, ki se jih daje iv?) mogoče veš kateri encimi so tu mišljeni? + to da je govor o levkocitih (bele krvničke)...itak vsaka celica v telesu ima membrano iz fosfolipidnega dvosloja...torej se bi po tej teoriji vgradilo v vsako membrano? Poleg tega reči da levkociti fagocitirajo bakterije oz. njihove dele je preveč posplošeno...fagocitozo najprej izvajajo nevtrofilci potem pa makrofagi, ki prispejo v vnetišče kasneje (oboji pa spadajo med levkocite)...razen če je tu kak problem s kakimi proteini, ki pomagajo oblikovati vezikle pri endocitozi?
@alp: antibiotiki ne zaustavijo procesa zdravljenja..ampak pobijejo bakterije. To da se telo samo pozdravi mi pa ne govori, saj naše telo na žalost ni sposobno pozdraviti vseh infekcij, kaj šele kaj drugega. Je pa definitvno pomembno pri zdravljenju pozitivno sodelovanje osebkove psihe.
LP
@alp: antibiotiki ne zaustavijo procesa zdravljenja..ampak pobijejo bakterije. To da se telo samo pozdravi mi pa ne govori, saj naše telo na žalost ni sposobno pozdraviti vseh infekcij, kaj šele kaj drugega. Je pa definitvno pomembno pri zdravljenju pozitivno sodelovanje osebkove psihe.
LP
Re: gandza in bolezen
koliko let v primerjavi s celotno zgodovino človeštva so na sceni tablete, zdravniki itd.?
kako misliš, da se je telo človeka pred vsem tem sranjem zdravilo?
še boljše vprašanje; ali je včasih človeško telo res imelo opraviti s toliko strupi, kot jih ima sedaj?
vabim te, da se pozanimaš zakaj je toliko bolezni in trpljenja , kajti to je tisto kar bi morali vedeti o boleznih. vzrok za nastanek bolezni je ključnega pomena.
bakterije pa so naši največji prijatelji. v našem telesu so vseskozi prisotni.
njihovo število naraste samo takrat, kadar se začne proces izločanja strupov iz telesa in to izključno samo z namenom pospešiti izločanje strupov.
bakterije niso tiste, ki povzročijo bolezen. telo samo zmeraj uvede proces čiščenja strupov, šele takrat se bakterije namožijo...
hrana, ki jo v sodobnem času uživamo je ena glavnih krivcev za toksikozo telesa. jej vse po malem, ti bo svetoval zdravnik, kajne?
well guess what....
se pa definitivno strinjam, da je pri vseh "boleznih", predvsem pa tudi pri telesnih poškodbah in bolečinah,
zelo pomembna posameznikova psiha. njegovo zavedanje in stališče glede ozdravitve, okrevanja itd.
no pa smo spet pri medicini, ki na to žal ne posveča skoraj nobene pozornosti.
kaj šele, da bi paciente spodbudila k temu, da se malo več naučijo o tem kako njihovo telo in njihov um deluje.
kako misliš, da se je telo človeka pred vsem tem sranjem zdravilo?
še boljše vprašanje; ali je včasih človeško telo res imelo opraviti s toliko strupi, kot jih ima sedaj?
vabim te, da se pozanimaš zakaj je toliko bolezni in trpljenja , kajti to je tisto kar bi morali vedeti o boleznih. vzrok za nastanek bolezni je ključnega pomena.
bakterije pa so naši največji prijatelji. v našem telesu so vseskozi prisotni.
njihovo število naraste samo takrat, kadar se začne proces izločanja strupov iz telesa in to izključno samo z namenom pospešiti izločanje strupov.
bakterije niso tiste, ki povzročijo bolezen. telo samo zmeraj uvede proces čiščenja strupov, šele takrat se bakterije namožijo...
hrana, ki jo v sodobnem času uživamo je ena glavnih krivcev za toksikozo telesa. jej vse po malem, ti bo svetoval zdravnik, kajne?
well guess what....
se pa definitivno strinjam, da je pri vseh "boleznih", predvsem pa tudi pri telesnih poškodbah in bolečinah,
zelo pomembna posameznikova psiha. njegovo zavedanje in stališče glede ozdravitve, okrevanja itd.
no pa smo spet pri medicini, ki na to žal ne posveča skoraj nobene pozornosti.
kaj šele, da bi paciente spodbudila k temu, da se malo več naučijo o tem kako njihovo telo in njihov um deluje.
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