Od ideje do rešitve

[bluu]

Zdravo,

zadnje čase so vse bolj aktualne debate o uporabi konoplje v medicinske namene. Farmacija je seveda zgrabila priložnost in kot kaže bodo pobrali celoten kolač. Bitka se je že začela, imajo veliko prednost, vendar ne smemo odnehati. Prosil bi vas, da tisti, ki ima kakšno pametno idejo, mnenje oziroma karkoli bi lahko pokazalo nove poti pri uresničevanju legalizacije, to stipka v spodnje odgovore. Lepo prosim raznorazne uporabnike, ki želijo biti duhoviti, pustite vsaj ta topic čist svinarij. Rad bi zbral čimveč idej, izkušenj, pomislekov in napotkov za analizo stanja in možnosti. Ne glejte na marihuano samo kot na joint ampak uporabite svojo glavo in napumpajte možgane.
Zakaj bi lahko bila konoplja prepovedana, medtem ko druge rastline ne, pa vseeno vsebujejo take in podobne substance!?
Lahko replajate tudi na podoben način, kot sem jaz zgoraj: Zakaj, če...etc...
Vsaka ideja, pa če tudi nemogoča toplo sprejeta, kasneje obdelana, pa de vidmo, kaj se da narest.
Hvala za sodelovanje in v naprej se zahvaljujem tistim, ki ste se vzdržali pisanju bedarij.
Lep dan še naprej,
Bluu

[volkds]

ena raziskava...

Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong!
And we hereby extend our $100,000 challenge to prove us wrong!
If all fossil fuels and their derivatives, as well as trees for paper and construction, were banned in order to save the planet, reverse the greenhouse effect and stop deforestation; then there is only one known annually renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world's paper and textiles; meet all of the world's transportation, industrial and home energy needs, while simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time... and that substance is the same one that has done it before . . . CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA!
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the only known plant that can be grown from the Equator to the Arctic Circle and to the Antarctic Circle; from the mountains to the valleys, from the oceans to the plains, including arid lands and everywhere in between. CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the healthiest plant for the ground out of the 300,000 known species, and the millions and millions of subspecies, of plants on Earth, because it has a root system that grows 10 to 12 inches in 30 days compared to one inch for rye, barley grass, etc. The roots penetrate up to 6 feet deep, pulverizing the soil and making it arable. After harvest it leaves a root system that is mulched into the ground, revitalizing the land and making it live once again. It is the KING KONG of the King Kongs of all plant life.

All of my information about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA has been taken from Federal and State Department of Agriculture reports, articles from Popular Mechanics, Popular Science, Pulp & Paper Magazine, Scientific American, entries from encyclopedias and pharmacopoeias, and studies from all over the world during the last 200 years. This is all public information. The United States government is hiding the fact that 125 years ago, and even as far back as 4000 BC, 80 percent of our economy was based on the use of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA for paper, fiber and fuel. Ten to 20 percent of our drug economy was based on CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA medicines, 125 years ago.

CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was part of our everyday life. Virtually every farm and every plot of land in the cities and towns across the United States and the world, from 100-125 years ago and before, had a CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA patch growing. The U.S. government's cover-up of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA outrages me and it should outrage you, too. I have been studying CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA for over 30 years, and I can't believe how the U.S. government, in 90 seconds in Congress, could outlaw "MARIJUANA" in 1937, without the people realizing they were outlawing CANNABIS/HEMP, the most perfect plant for the planet! They even got other countries to outlaw it, too, after the Second World War and beyond. From 1740 to 1940, 80 percent of all the world's CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was grown (mostly by Cossacks, who were indentured servants), and then imported from, Russia.

I will again reiterate a few of the facts about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA, which you already know from reading my book, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes."

CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was the NUMBER ONE annually renewable natural resource for 80 percent of all paper, fiber, textiles and fuel, from 6,000 years ago until about 125 years ago. Furthermore, it was used for 5 to 50 percent of the food, light, land and soil reclamation, and even 20 percent or more of all medicine. Everyone, from the educated to the uneducated, the farmer to the townsperson, the doctors and the scientists used CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA products and depended on them.75 to 90 percent of all paper used from at least 100 AD to 1883 was made of CANNABIS/HEMP. Books, (including Bibles), money and newspapers all over the world have been mainly printed on CANNABIS/HEMP for as long as these things have existed in human history.

One hundred and 25 years ago, 70 to 90 percent of all rope, twine, cordage, ship sails, canvas, fiber, cloth, etc., was made out of CANNABIS/HEMP fiber! It was replaced by DuPont's newly discovered petrochemical fiber (nylon) beginning in 1937. By comparison, CANNABIS/HEMP is 4 times softer than cotton, 4 times warmer, 4 times more water absorbent, has 3 times the strength of cotton, is many times more durable, is flame retardant, and doesn't use pesticides. Fifty percent of all pesticides are used on cotton, yet cotton uses only 1 percent of the farmland in the U.S! CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the most health giving plant on Earth and it doesn't require pesticides or herbicides! It is the healthiest plant for human consumption, and for the Earth itself.

Eighty percent of our economy depended on CANNABIS/HEMP for paper, fiber and fuel, 125 years ago. At that time, it took 300 man-hours to harvest an acre of CANNABIS/HEMP, but with the invention of the brand new HEMP decorticator in the 1930s, it only took 1-1/2 to 2 hours. This is equivalent to reducing the labor burden from $6,000 down to $40 per acre, in today's money. Keep in mind that the cotton gin, in 1793, reduced the man-hours from 300 hours down to 2 hours to harvest and clean an acre of cotton. CANNABIS/HEMP would have taken over the cotton market, as it is far superior to cotton, and pesticide free. The role of CANNABIS/HEMP should be determined by market supply and demand and not by undue influence of prohibition laws, federal subsidies and huge tariffs that keep the natural from replacing the synthetic. I repeat, CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the KING KONG of the King Kongs of all plants!

Of all the 300,000 species of plants on Earth, no other plant source can compare with the nutritional value of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA seeds. It is the only plant on Earth that provides us with the NUMBER ONE source, and the perfect balance of essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, globulin edestin protein, and essential oils all combined in one plant, and in a form which is most naturally digestible to our bodies.

Prior to the 1800s, CANNABIS/HEMPSEED oil was the NUMBER ONE source for lighting oil throughout the world. Until 1937-38, even paints and varnishes were 80 percent CANNABIS/HEMPSEED oil. CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is non-toxic and has been used to make high-grade diesel fuel, oil, aircraft and precision oil and even the NUMBER ONE vegetable oil. The U.S. Army/Navy standards purchasing specifications list HEMP OIL as the NUMBER ONE preferred lubricant for their machinery. CANNABIS/HEMP is the best sustainable source of plant pulp for biomass fuel to make charcoal, gas, methanol, gasoline and electricity in a natural way.

In 1850, 80 percent of all paper, fiber, fuel, and oil was made out of CANNABIS/HEMP in America and the rest of the world. This was before the discovery of coal and petroleum for energy in the late 1850s...before the start of the worst permanent pollution ever experienced on Earth... fossil fuel pollution (coal and petroleum)!!

As a medicine, the worldwide use of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA goes back at least 6,000 years. Remember, 10 to 20 percent of our medicines used to be CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA based medicines. It has been found to be healthy and effective in the treatment of chronic pain, cancer, strokes, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, sickle cell anemia, AIDS wasting and many other illnesses, including simple nausea, appetite stimulant, anxiety and muscle pains, etc.

On September 6, 1988, the Drug Enforcement Administration's Chief Administrative Law Judge, Francis L. Young, ruled: "Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man," and asked the Drug Enforcement Administration to reschedule it. The DEA refused, keeping it as a Schedule I drug, which they say "has no known medical use"! Thousands of studies have been done all over the world, documenting the medical use of MARIJUANA (England, Spain, Hungary, Holland, and the U.S., just to name a few). No one has ever died from MARIJUANA in over 6,000 years of recorded history... unless they were shot by a COP!

CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was also used for land reclamation until 1915. CANNABIS/HEMP was planted or left to grow feral as ground cover and on riverbanks, and not intended for harvest. It is the NUMBER ONE plant in history used to prevent mudslides and loss of watershed, and river and soil erosion on Earth. It has been illegal to grow this NUMBER ONE plant in the United States since 1937.What disgusts me the most is how the U.S. government, as well as the people, knew about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA and praised its value and then look what happened! In literally 90 seconds, the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 passed in Congress. By using the unknown name "MARIJUANA" instead of the familiar name "CANNABIS HEMP", Congress was able to accomplish this because no one knew what plant they were talking about. CANNABIS/HEMP became illegal and was replaced by petrochemical products, coal and natural gas. They made it such a banned and forbidden plant that the words "HEMP" and "CANNABIS/HEMP" were not even taught in schools from the 1940s, 50s and thereafter.

The role of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was erased from America's history (as well as most of the rest of the world's) after 1945. To prove it, think... what did you learn about CANNABIS/HEMP in grade school? High school? College? From your parents and grandparents? Nothing! (Unless it was from the underground press within the last 15 to 20 years.) The continuing suppression of this information by the U.S. government places us all in mortal jeopardy. I believe that, in order to save our planet, we must use non-fossil fuel energy. CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA, in conjunction with wind, solar, tidal and hydroelectric power, could save the planet by providing all of our energy, fuel, paper, fiber, and 10 to 20 percent of our medical needs, naturally. It would also reduce acid rain and chemical pollution, rebuild the soil, and reverse the greenhouse effect (no other plant can do this!). CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was used to make over 25,000 products before it was outlawed in 1937.

Why does the U.S. government want to eradicate this seed, out of all the seeds on Earth? They want to kill the most perfect plant on the planet. We must stop this insanity and demand that the laws against CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA be one hundred percent repealed!!

Federal Attorney General John Ashcroft, Drug Enforcement Administration head, Asa Hutchison, and White House Drug Czar, John Walters, have been given all of these proven facts and yet are still set against the legalization of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA and recognition of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIUANA knowledge. For whatever personal reasons, they refuse to believe the facts and are willing to sacrifice the future of our planet and the health of our people by keeping it illegal.

The ban of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is so extreme and its intention is to hide the truth. The truth is that out of the 300,000 species, and the millions and millions of subspecies, of plants on Earth, CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the NUMBER ONE plant for our survival and quality of life here on Earth. Since September 11, 2001, the U.S. government and Attorney General John Ashcroft have been calling MARIJUANA users "terrorists" and yet the government of the United States has been "terrorizing" MARIJUANA users for the last 65 years! There have been over 14 million arrests for CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA in the last 65 years, in the U.S. alone! 13 million were within the last 30 years!

No one has taken the $100,000 challenge to prove me wrong. Why? Because I am right. The U.S. government has been lying to us since the early 1900s. Do economic interests and the police have more to say than the people about the future of our planet? How angry are you for being lied to by the U.S. government about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA? Are you willing to make a stand right now? No one can dispute this information and knowledge. YOU have to join me in this fight. Either you are on the U.S. government's side or you are on my side.

[volkds]

še mal za razmislt...


HOW DANGEROUS IS MARIJUANA
COMPARED WITH OTHER SUBSTANCES?
Number of American deaths per year that result directly or primarily from the following selected causes nationwide, according to World Almanacs, Life Insurance Actuarial (death) Rates, and the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeon Generals' reports.
TOBACCO 340,000 to 450,000
ALCOHOL (Not including 50% of all highway deaths and 65% of all murders) 150,000+
ASPIRIN (Including deliberate overdose) 180 to 1,000+
CAFFEINE (From stress, ulcers, and triggering irregular heartbeats, etc.) 1,000 to 10,000
"LEGAL" DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from legal, prescribed or patent medicines and/or mixing with alcohol - e.g. Valium/alcohol 14,000 to 27,000
ILLICIT DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from all illegal drugs. 3,800 to 5,200
MARIJUANA 0

(Marijuana users also have the same or lower incidence of murders and highway deaths and accidents than the general non-marijuana using population as a whole. Crancer Study, UCLA; U.S. Funded ($6 million), First & Second Jamaican Studies, 1968 to 1974; Costa Rican Studies, 1980 to 1982; et al. LOWEST TOXICITY 100% of the studies done at dozens of American universities and research facilities show pot toxicity does not exist. Medical history does not record anyone dying from an overdose of marijuana (UCLA, Harvard, Temple, etc.).


UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Drug Enforcement Administration
In The Matter Of MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION
Docket No. 86-22
OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge
DATED: SEPTEMBER 6, 1988

Section 8 of Judge Young's "Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Decision."

3. The most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is the possibility of lethal effects. Can the drug cause death?

4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.

This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.

6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.

7. Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.

8. At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

9. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

[volkds]

a je kej uporabnga?

[bluu]

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a je kej uporabnga?

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Uporabno je vse. Topic je bil sicer odprt za ideje iz vaše glave, ampak škodit ne more.
Fajn članki, hvala.
Drgač pa fantje in punce, zmeraj govorite legalize it etc... zdaj mate priložnost zagovarjat svoje stališče. Prosim pište zakaj legalizirati po vašem
thx

[Andrej]

Sticky; enako

če že "gnjavite" pa naj bo "ukraden" članek

MNENJA

Dr. Dušan Keber, minister za zdravstvo RS: Če bi moral izbirati, bi se brez pomisleka odločil za legalizacijo mehkih drog v zamenjavo za prepoved točenja alkohola mladini...
več: http://drogart.org/nonCGI/Forum6/HTML/000151.html

Star sem 27 let, z napol koncanim faksom, na noge sem spravu svoje lastno podjetje. Kjer koli se pojavim v tej nasi ljubi sloveniji me obravnavajo kot respekta vrednega sogovornika. In vendar se vsak vecer spremenim v kriminalca najhujsega kova.
POHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
več: http://drogart.org/nonCGI/Forum6/HTML/000138.html

Ganja (in verjetno tudi ostale droge (ne Vem ker nisem preizkusil)) pomaga dosegati višje stopnje zavesti.
Sicer samo do določene stopnje zavesti, naprej pa je treba iti brez drog, saj imamo v sebi vse potrebno za to!
V te namene so ganjo uporabljali že šamani (poleg ostalih 'drog'), uporabljajo pa jo še danes rastafarijanci in seveda veliko posameznikov, ki pa ponavadi do prebujenja ne vedo zakaj jo sploh uporabljajo.
In ker je višja stopnja zavesti postala nuja v tem današnjem materialno usmerjenem svetu, je uporaba ganje (pa tudi drugih rastlin moči) v te namene, precej v redu, saj ne zasvaja kot nekatere druge droge.
Seveda nastane težava če človek ne uporablja droge za doseganje višjih stopenj zavesti ampak izključno za zabavo. Če pa jo še zlorablja v namen zabave je še slabše.

Ce legaliziramo marihuano pridobimo nadzor nad tržiščem in omogočamo nadzor kvalitete, poleg tega lahko ocenimo število porabnikov, z uvedbo davkov (tako kot cigareti ali alkohol) lahko plačujemo stroške za zdravstvo. Poleg tega pa se lahko denar od davkov nameni policiji, ki lahko sedaj namesto da se ukvarja z marihuano spravi v boj s trdimi drogami, ki so dosti bolj pereč družbeni problem.

Lahko informiramo ljudi o uporabljanju drog (ne samo marihuana ampak tudi ostale), kajti težko je razglabljati o drogah, če so prepovedane > po eni strani govoriš, da ni nevem kako nevarna marihuana, v isti sapi pa govoriš da je odgovorna za uničenje naše družbe in da jo je treba prepovedati.

Zmanjšamo možnost, da bo uporabnik marihuane prešel na trše droge... Kot prvo je treba povedati, da obstajajo raziskave, ki govorijo, da je 75% uživalcev trdih drog prej uživalo marihuano > s tem podpriajo argument tranzicije iz mehkih na trde, VENDAR, kolikor jaz vem še ni bila opravljena nobena raziskava, ki bi pokazala povezavo v nasprotno smer (koliko uživalcev marihuane sedaj uživa trde droge).
Razlog za prehod je treba iskati drugje > 1. družba, 2. denar > Ljudje večinoma prehajajo na trde droge, ker se z nijimi ukvarjajo tudi njihovi prijatejlji (najbljižji krog družbe). Poleg tega pa nakup marihuane pripelje porabnika v stik z preprodajalcem, ki se verjetno ne ukvarja samo z prepordajanjem trave (ne da se mi več pisat marihuane ) - trde droge prinašajo večje dobičke, zato je v interesu prepordajalca, da svojim odjemalcem ponudi tudi Xe, Speed, Horse, Coke...
Zdej pa point te točke > če legaliziramo marihuano, potem je nakup omogočen legalno, torej ti ni potrebno stopiti v stik z dilerjem.

Efekt prepovedega sadeža.
Tako kot je adam zagirzel v evino jabolko, ki je bilo še bolj slastno, tako marsikateri porabnik poseže po marihuani prvič samo zato ker je prepovedana.

Lažja industrijska poraba rastline. Konoplja (industrijska, z izredno majhno vsebnostjo THCja (neprimerna za zadevanje)) je pri nas na nek način že dovoljena, vendar se vseeno dostikrat pripet, da policija požge kakšno polje industrijske konoplje > spet razlog lahko išemo v razmišljanju ljudi. V primeru, da je dovoljena si policija ne more privoščiti da bi požigala polja in delal gospodarsko škodo, še posebej ker je gojenje ind. marih. zelo profitabilno (Iz marh. se da narediti Šampone, pralne praške (neškodljivi za okolje, brez fosfatov), hektarski donos celuloze je 8x večji kot gozda - eko papir, beton z vlakni rastline je 2.5x močnejši od železo betona, oblačila (prve leviske so bile iz konoplje)).


Zjuti kavica, pol dva pira za kosilo, zvecer pa da se mal umiris par cikov pa vincka, pa en aspirin al pa dva. Ni panike, ne? Se navadiš

Še veliko več na to temo: http://www.gape.org/gapes/legalizacija.htm

[volkds]

lepi argumenti...

[bluu]

Nekdo, Lepo lepo si nam prlepu.
Hvala

[Andrej]

1.del

Na podlagi le-teh argumentov, ki se bodo sčasoma kopičili v tej debati,(kvalitetnih in dobro argumentiranih), ki jih prispevamo mi, in vi, z kar nekaj truda (jah, razmišlanje pa ni zastonj), pa bi se vodstvo spletne strani moglo zavzemat za krajši ponatis, na žepnih letakih, ki bi se razpečevali povsod. Informiranost o konplji širši javnosti ni znano, če pa že je, pa vsi vemo kako je stališče, pri dokaj nerazgledani populaciji. Nažalost. "Mamilo"

Od administratorja, pa do moderatorjev in res aktivnih borcev za "obstoj" konoplje pod milim nebom ,pa bi bilo dost, če bi se resnično organizirali v primerno "skupino", ki bi našo vero zagovarjanja konoplje širila širši javnosti, tudi preko medijev, na zahtevo nas!!

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