Feminizirana semena / Rodelization ?

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weedster
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Feminizirana semena / Rodelization ?

OdgovorNapisal/-a weedster » 27 Sep 2009, 18:05

Na ICMagu sem zasledil zanimivo debato o femikah, sem skeptik in nisem edini, če pogledate temo http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=137644 . Sedaj pa kaj vi menite o tem ... spodaj od Some članek.

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Creating feminized cannabis seeds is an art. Just like art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have used gibberellic acid, pH stress, light stress, and fertilizer stress to force my female plants to make seeds. All of these methods are harsh on the plants, and some, like the gibberellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner, more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized seeds.

Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, rather than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher pH, some a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like much less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you can’t treat every plant the same way.

It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown the same strains for close to a decade, and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making seeds and in learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.

I named this new method "Rodelization," after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plants in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male "bananas." A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built-in safety factor so that in case of severe conditions, the plant can make sure the species is furthered.

To me, a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male-banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop, or at the very least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emergency devices out. I call them "emergency devices" because they emerge at times of stress.

In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plants 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed, and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one or two months and still remain potent.

For the next phase, you need to have a separate crop that’s already 2 1/2 weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bags of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut all the fans in the growroom down. Then take a very fine paintbrush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with up to 10 different kinds in the same room with great success.

I use the lower flowers to make seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time (two crops), but is completely organic, and lets you have great-quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds. If you’re one of those growers who’s never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method.

You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross-pollinating. The older females with the male bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, unpollinated females after they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later, you will have ripe 100% feminized seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.

Soma.




Torej, da malo povzamem:

Soma govori kako je najdel nov način za feminiziranje poimenoval ga je Rodelization. Ta govori, da bi naj pustili žensko rastlino dlje časa cveteti (over-flowering) in s tem bi naredila "banane". Potem pa z tem prahom iz "ženskih banan" bi oplodili druge bilke in s tem dobili 100% fem.

No zdaj me zanima a potem nebi vse naslednje generacije bile hermiči, nekateri pravijo, da ne. Da samo z stresom bi postale hermiči.

peace, weedster
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Re: Feminizirana semena / Rodelization ?

OdgovorNapisal/-a ZIKI » 27 Sep 2009, 19:14

Sem glih bral včeraj nekaj podobnega in je X razlagal nekaj o tem na ic-u


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Ce ti ni tezko ... Zanima me tvoje mnenje o tem zakaj DJ Short pravi, da so lahko moski hermiji koristni za reprodukcijo? Se lastnosti cvetnega prahu tako spremenijo med procesom hermanja? Do te mere, da baje semena ki so bila pridobljena s tem prahom producirajo vecino zensk? Lahko cvetni prah prenese tudi dejstvo, da ima ta moski sedaj trichome? To bi pomenilo, da se genetska struktura cvetnega prahu spreminja.






Dam raje SS da bo bolj pregledno



EDIT:Sem komaj zdaj prebral da tam gre za overflowering , drugače je pa zadeva podobna , še cel thread : http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=124615&page=4
Kaj nam bo svoboda govora ce noben ne slisi!?!

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Re: Feminizirana semena / Rodelization ?

OdgovorNapisal/-a weedster » 27 Sep 2009, 19:50

Zdaj sn še 1x prebral celi tisti topik od applesa in sn ugotovo da sn čist napačno vprašanje postavo. V nos mi grejo posti od Mr. Stinky, kateri pravi, da po tej metodi niti ena bilka nebo hermi razn če jo pustiš cvetet dlje. Torej a je ta metoda vreju al bi o prvem stresu postali hermiji ... zdaj pa še eno vprašanje: sam skunkman je reko da ma take bilke ki jih z stresom ne more "shermit". Do hermafrodizma jo lahko pripelje če jo pošprica s sts. Torej kako se eliminirajjo intersex geni?


eh preveč vlka blužnja ... mike zbriši temo xD
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Re: Feminizirana semena / Rodelization ?

OdgovorNapisal/-a lasulja » 28 Sep 2009, 12:07

S to metodo imaš precej šanse da bojo potomci hermiji. v 100% pogojih ne, nastanejo samo ob prvem šoku. preberi do konca temo pa boš vidu da to trdijo tudi drugi.
Intersex gena se po mojih izkušnjah praktično ne da eleminirat, lahko samo zmanjšaš pojavljanje le tega z izborom.
Je pa res weed tako kot pravi sam da določene bilke ne hermajo razen z uporabo kemije.
police in helicopter search for marihuana ...

lion
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Re: Feminizirana semena / Rodelization ?

OdgovorNapisal/-a lion » 28 Sep 2009, 12:23

najbols weedster je da probas sam naredit rodelization pa bos potem vidu kako je na stvari , meni osebno se to genetsko dr. ganja poglabljanje ne zdi pomembno , je zanimivo ampak mi je vsec rastlina taksna kot je sj je ze zdaj mali miljon vrst pa femik. Ce pa bi kdo to delal pri nas bi se vrjetno semena dala dobit kje , ali pac glede na to da vecina znanje ne zeli delit (mogoce bi z genskim manipuliranjem lahko cloveku to lastnos zbrisali, vsekakor bi svet bil lepsi ) lepo je da imas interes debatirat o teh stvareh pa upam da bo ta tema ostala in da bo kdo z znanjem se tukaj kaj prispeval ne samo na tujih forumih. Znanje se mora delit zato da se zivljenje lahko razvija. lp
When life puts stones in your way
build something nice out of them
Loesje

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Re: Feminizirana semena / Rodelization ?

OdgovorNapisal/-a lasulja » 28 Sep 2009, 13:22

Se strinjam lion da lahko tudi tukaj kako debato o tem udarimo o fem in hermijih
vprasajte ce vas kaj zanima, kar vem vam bom izdal
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Re: Feminizirana semena / Rodelization ?

OdgovorNapisal/-a weedster » 28 Sep 2009, 13:47

sem prabral celo temo lasko ...torej kot je mr. stinky al kaj pač je reko majo potem vse bilke intersex gene in če bi po tej metodi delal bi enako postale hermiči z stresom kot regular. Kdaj pa kolko stresa prenesejo do hermafrodizma pa je odvisno ...

al se motim ?:D
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Re: Feminizirana semena / Rodelization ?

OdgovorNapisal/-a lasulja » 28 Sep 2009, 14:02

Ne se ne motis
Redke so bilke ki nimajo nic intersex genov, vecina herma ze z rahlimi svetlobnimi šoki. Seveda se ne pogovarjamo o outdooru, to je na indooru uglavnem. Pod soncem se hermiji precej redkeje pojavljajo. Pa marsikaj ki outdoor naredi brez problemov notri herma
Se pa da z izborom precej zmanjšat pojavo hermijev, samo ne 100%. Pri fem semenih je pa še večja šansa da dobiš hermije, sploh če pomisliš da vglavnem, razen redkih delajo fem seme z bilkami ki so bile izpostavljene stresu. Pravo fem seme nastane samo ko imaš preizkušeno bilko ki ne herma in jo potem s kemijo sforciraš da naredi moške cvetove
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Re: Feminizirana semena / Rodelization ?

OdgovorNapisal/-a weedster » 28 Sep 2009, 14:10

Torej potemtakem je to čist vredu metoda za kaki outdoor kjer ni večjih šokov ?

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Redke so bilke ki nimajo nic intersex genov, vecina herma ze z rahlimi svetlobnimi šoki.




sam je reko da njegove plantice lahko dobije banane ampak so te sterilne in se ne odprejo al nemorejo oplodit... drugo potem vprašanje kak naredit sterilne ? al o čem govori sam
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Kako naredit feminized semena ...

OdgovorNapisal/-a weedster » 09 Okt 2009, 09:07

Kako naredit feminized semena z uporabo Colloidal Silver (CS) - koloidno srebro

Za izdelavo CS rabimo .999 čisto srebro in polnilec ali kakšen adapter od 6V-12V; 300-900 mA.



Vodo v kateri bomo imeli 2 konca srebra, katera bosta povezana z adapterjem ( +/ - ), mora biti destilirana. Ne smemo uporabit kar neko vodo ampak voda mora bit čista brez kakih primesi(xD).



Kot vidimo na sliki mora v vodi biti samo srebro brez krokodilčkev ali s čemer bomo pač držali srebro. En kos srebra priklopimo z minusom drugi z plusom. Ko imamo to porihtano prižgemo polnilec/adapter in ga pustimo prižganega ~8 ur.

In tako imamo nareto cs raztopino s katero špricamo liste že par dni preden preklopimo na 12/12. V cvetenju še naprej špricamo vsakih par dni, da nastanejo banane ( hermafrodit). Z tem prahom potem oplodimo ženske bilke katere bojo naredile 100% ženska semena.
Če še ma kdo kaj za dodat ... kar.

peace
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